Even if it's just for like one or two minutes a day and you do it regularly, I think you'll find all sorts of benefits and it's hard to know what those benefits will be. There's some likeon, personally, when I am getting a little bit burnt out, I notice myself practicing meditation more, for example, and that's when I really find the value of, yeah, of meditating.

You can do, uh, mindfulness meditation. There's other forms of meditation too. Then also you can increase your. Your present moment awareness, right, in a non-judgmental way, in informal ways too. Doesn't just have to be like a sitting meditation or, you know, mindfulness programs have been studied with an academic institutions, uh, just a bit.

But not delivered online in exactly like what we're doing.

Welcome everyone. My name is Mark Maban. I'm your host for this Mindful Text Perspectives podcast. I'm here with James Pan. James Pan is an associate professor, program evaluator and psychologist who specializes in evaluating health, human service and educational programs. He's also an avid mindfulness and meditation practitioner, so we're excited to have him here on our show.

James, tell us a little bit about yourself and your. Um, well, I, I'm a professor, I, I teach at, at Nova Southeastern University, work with, uh, graduate students, undergraduate students, um, on all sorts of projects. And also I teach in various classes, mostly my areas in program evaluation, which means the process, uh, the approach of helping organizations.

Determine how well their programs are doing, what the value of those programs are, and how to make those programs better, those initiatives, whatever they might be. And so we mean, when I say programs, I mean it could be like after school program to like a court program, uh, something that's, uh, uh, an initiative that's going on in a, in a jail.

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