Hello, Utah, thank you very much for presenting in the public sector roundtable. You presented on mindfulness mindfulness seem to be a very hot topic these days. But what is it really about? Where does it come from?

Well, Kitzur, I'm really glad that you've got me to present this today. And mindfulness is a way of paying attention to any situation like this one here. And actually being physically and mentally here, as opposed to thinking about what I did before, or worrying about or projecting myself into the future, and really paying attention to the questions that you're going to ask me and to answering them as best as I can.

And so from it comes from an interest in well being you were saying today and in the idea that a lot of people are stressed at work, and so on. But it's not just a stress management technique. Is that right?

It seems that the interest in organizations in mindfulness is coming from a stress management perspective that people are overwhelmed constantly on show on display in organizations, and are becoming more fragmented as a result. And so mindfulness practice is a way of slowing down, and paying attention to what's going on maybe even inside ourselves, and what's going on in the space between you and me, or between me and the organization that I'm working in. 

And that in the first instance, has a benefit to make people more calm, and more collected. And this is where we are starting to, to jump off from from a performance management perspective.

And so in the management context, so this is not just about me managing my own feelings or attention, but it becomes more something that changes what people do, like in a meeting, for example, it changes and this is where we've got some empirical evidence at Cranfield already, where mindfulness seeps into, for example, a performance review meeting, we're finding that people abandon their preconceived notions about what the situation requires, or what they think they should do in the situation.

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